Michael Bay attends the Dallas premiere of ’13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi’ at the AT&T Dallas Cowboys Stadium on January 12, 2016, in Arlington, Texas. Photo by Jason Kempin/Getty Images for Paramount Pictures
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Michael Bay: People sitting at desks are not always the smartest ones—it's people in the trenches that figure stuff out. We've learned that through history. I was in a geology class taught by a world tectonic expert at Wesleyan, and he said a very poignant thing one day. He [said], "Listen: If we have a nuclear catastrophe, it's going to be the carpenters and plumbers that fix this world." [The theme is] a wish-fulfillment thing, but it's also reality and a lot of facts and a lot of stories that I've heard.In 13 Hours and the Bad Boys films' car chases, you cut from high to low angles. How did you develop that technique?
I liked getting more speed. It was a cut style I started doing when I did Bad Boys. I got a lot of shit for it, from what I remember, but you look at car chases nowadays, and [most action directors] seem like they're doing it now.
You start honing your techniques [as a music-video director]. Music videos, for me, were always a stepping stone—I always wanted to be a feature director, and it was just how I was going to get there. A misperception would be, "Oh, he's just a commercial director, he's just a music-video director." No, I was a film student that became a music-video director, that became a commercial director—all while knowing I was going to be a feature director. It was just how I plotted my path.
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My movies are always about the person wanting to do the right thing, or the people wanting to do the right thing—people who are very selfless, who try to save others. [The characters look at] the biggest picture; [they] do it for the greater good. There's a lot of hero archetypes in [13 Hours and the other movies], but remember: Benghazi is not made up. That's what happened. It's written by five guys who were there, and they were just trying to do the right thing.
How would you define a hero?I like people who are not these über-studs. They relate to a normal person doing extraordinary things.
When you watch [13 Hours], that's pretty definitive of a hero. These are people that didn't have to go [to Benghazi]. They could've gone home. They're ex-military. Their leader said, "You don't have to go, but we're the only help they've got. It's their only chance." And they suited up, and they volunteered to go. They're all young fathers, and they put their job—or put what they believe in; they're noble kind of guys—before their families to try to save others. To me, that's a hero. [Heroes have] gotta have nobility, they've gotta have strength, and they've gotta have a conviction.
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Sean Connery in Untouchables with [Kevin] Costner, Indiana Jones, even Bruce Willis in Die Hard. Bruce was a normal Joe that was put in an extraordinary circumstance. Harrison was an archaeology teacher who was just put through the rigmarole. I like people who are not these über-studs. They relate to a normal person doing extraordinary things.
Why is West Side Story one of your favorite movies?I'm a very down-and-dirty, get-dirty kind of director.
It's one of 'em. It's a fun story, and it really uses [filmmaking] techniques. It takes style, and it just creates its own kind of content. There's a lot of value you can learn from musicals. I took a class at Wesleyan on musicals. We watched [films] from the 40s and 50s. I just vividly remember some of [the shots]. I think it was the Twentieth Century Fox musicals—there was one, I'm forgetting the name, where it's the longest shot. It's three minutes where it goes in an apartment building, coming out another window, going down to another window, going in and out, in and out. It's a beautifully composed shot; we would have so much trouble in modern-day filmmaking doing it as well as they did it. There are moments like that where it's just beautiful. Some of the lighting is beautiful in musicals—it goes from story to fantasy. [Musicals are] fun to watch.Is lighting a big part of your action movies?
I always think so. To me, a lot has to do with lighting and how you perceive the world. I started very young in photography. When I was 13, I got my first camera. I was always about composition, and in my movies I basically set up every single shot, meaning I put my eye through the lens. I'm not one of those directors who just sits in a chair and tells people to do their stuff. I'm actually right there, right with the camera, right next to the camera operator. I'm a very down-and-dirty, get-dirty kind of director.
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I think they say a lot of stuff about my movies. Sometimes they're not even talking about the movie, if you actually read some of the things closely. A long time ago I learned, from very, very smart people, don't read the good, don't read the bad.I thought it was a poignant image. Just 'cause it's an American flag, then [critics will say], "Oh, he put it in Armageddon. Oh, he must have a fetish with American flags." No, it just happens to be the type of movies I was doing. You see American flags in American bases, and a lot of my movies have [been set in] American bases.What is the biggest misconception about you as an artist?
When you do Transformers and all my other movies—when it makes that type of money at a box office—that means about 100 million-plus people saw the movie. I could be misperceived, but I have fans, and that's who I make movies for. There are a lot of haters in the world, [but] you reach a point in life where you don't really give a shit what haters say, and you just kind of do your thing. I work my ass off [doing] my thing.This interview has been edited and condensed.Mitchell Sunderland is managing editor of Broadly. Follow him on Twitter.